{"id":4245,"date":"2009-10-30T18:14:09","date_gmt":"2009-10-30T16:14:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2080"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:22:54","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:22:54","slug":"fr-aidan-nichols-op-argumenterer-for-at-presten-b%c3%b8r-vende-seg-mot-gud-for-a-styrke-messens-offeraspekt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/10\/fr-aidan-nichols-op-argumenterer-for-at-presten-b%c3%b8r-vende-seg-mot-gud-for-a-styrke-messens-offeraspekt\/","title":{"rendered":"Fr Aidan Nichols, OP, argumenterer for at presten b\u00f8r vende seg mot Gud, for \u00e5 styrke messens offeraspekt"},"content":{"rendered":"

En katolsk journalist i England, Moyra Doorly, har fortsatt sin debatt med Fr, Aidan Nchols, OP, i The Catholic Herald (jeg skrev om det i juli i \u00e5r<\/a>). Bakgrunnen for debatten denne gangen er samtalene mellom SSPX og Vatikanet – der SSPX bl.a. kritiserer messereformen etter konsilet, og sier at den moderne messen langt p\u00e5 vei har sluttet \u00e5 v\u00e6re et offer som presten b\u00e6rer fram for Gud.<\/p>\n

Moyra Doorly er langt p\u00e5 vei enig i denne kritikken, og det er ogs\u00e5 Fr. Nichols til en viss grad. Fr Nichols peker mot slutten av sitt svar p\u00e5 at problemet i stor grad kunne l\u00f8ses ved at presten under den eukaristiske b\u00f8nn vender seg mot Gud, og ikke lenger mot folket, som han har gjort i messen s\u00e5 langt – under Ordets del:<\/p>\n

… I would agree with you that we need to «re-sacrificialise», in your invented but useful word, our common or garden usage of the rite of Paul VI – if not, in some respects, the rite itself. But to my mind the single greatest contribution we can make to that end is to press – judiciously and with respect – for the celebration of the Mass versus orientem, the Liturgy «turned towards the Lord». The celebrant stands ministerially in the place of Christ the High Priest. Appropriately, since our Great High Priest is Mediator between God and men, the Church’s priest, during the Liturgy of the Sacrifice – after, that is, the litany-like moment of the Bidding Prayers – turns at key moments to the body of the faithful, engaging their response («active» participation means engaged participation, not jumping up and down) to the sacred action of which he is protagonist. Essentially, however, in the celebration of the Sacrifice the ministerial priest is turned – always in spiritual attitude if, in our current practice, seldom in empirical fact – not to face the people but, with the beloved Son, to face the Father, to whom the Oblation of praise and thanksgiving, propitiation and supplication is addressed. Your desire for a clearer indication of the change in level as we move from the Liturgy of the Word to the Liturgy of the Sacrifice would be well met by the change of direction whereby the priest at that shift in gear turns from facing the people to facing the Father. A strengthening of the Offertory rite would appropriately accompany that change.
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Les gjerne hele den sv\u00e6rt interessante samtalen i The Catholic Herald<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

En katolsk journalist i England, Moyra Doorly, har fortsatt sin debatt med Fr, Aidan Nchols, OP, i The Catholic Herald (jeg skrev om det i juli i \u00e5r). Bakgrunnen for debatten denne gangen er samtalene mellom SSPX og Vatikanet – der SSPX bl.a. kritiserer messereformen etter konsilet, og sier at den moderne messen langt p\u00e5 […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4245","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4245","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4245"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4245\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5226,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4245\/revisions\/5226"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4245"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4245"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4245"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}