{"id":4264,"date":"2009-11-26T12:19:00","date_gmt":"2009-11-26T10:19:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2100"},"modified":"2012-02-13T10:53:04","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T09:53:04","slug":"modernisme-som-problem-ogsa-i-kirken","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/11\/modernisme-som-problem-ogsa-i-kirken\/","title":{"rendered":"Modernisme som problem – ogs\u00e5 i Kirken"},"content":{"rendered":"

Father Longenecker skrev p\u00e5 sin blog for noen dager siden om hvorfor han ble katolikk (han hadde tidligere v\u00e6rt anglikansk prest). Og han \u00e5pner innlegget sitt slik: I’m often asked why I left the Anglican Church to become a Catholic. Was it women’s ordination or some other issue? Well, the debate over women’s ordination was an influence. It made me re-examine the question of authority in the church. …<\/p>\n

However, the more I think about the reasons for my conversion, the more I realize that the real problem was not women’s ordination, nor was it, at depth, the question of authority in the church. Women’s ordination was a problem and the authority of Rome was the answer, but there was a deeper, underlying problem with the Anglican Church as I experienced it. The problem is modernism — a philosophical and theological position which is deeply opposed to historic Christianity.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n

Han fortsetter med \u00e5 fortelle om flere av sine anglikanske prestekollegaer som viste seg \u00e5 egentlig ikke engang tro p\u00e5 Gud (les videre her selv<\/a>). Personlig hadde jeg ingen slik opplevelser f\u00f8r jeg ble katolikk; faktisk var min kirkelige bakgrunn – b\u00e5de min oppvekst i den lokale kirke og skolelagsbevegelsen, min teologiske utvikling p\u00e5 Menighetsfakultetet (spesielt mht bibelkritikken), samt mine sist \u00e5r som lutheraner i Den evangelisk lutherske frikirke – mer konservativ enn den (norske) katolske Kirke jeg gikk inn i i 1994. Heldigvis oppdaga jeg noks\u00e5 snart at Kirkens magisterium var mer konservativt og oppeg\u00e5ende enn jeg hadde v\u00e5ga \u00e5 h\u00e5pe p\u00e5, og det har jo vist seg ganske s\u00e5 tydelig de siste \u00e5ra at Den katolske Kirke er en av de f\u00e5 man kan stole p\u00e5 teologisk, filosofisk, moralsk, dogmatisk osv.<\/p>\n

Father Longenecker fikk ogs\u00e5 ganske tydelig tilbakemelding p\u00e5 sist f\u00f8rste innlegg, at alt ikke var s\u00e5 rosenr\u00f8dt filosofisk og teologisk i Den katolske Kirke som han hadde gitt inntrykk av. Han skrev derfor et innlegg til, kalt Modernism and the Magisterium<\/a>, der han ogs\u00e5 ser p\u00e5 problemene innenfor v\u00e5r egen Kirke: «After analyzing the modernism in the Anglican Church it was pointed out that there’s plenty of modernism in the Catholic Church too. True enough, and because blog posts should be short and punchy, I left this issue for another day.<\/p>\n

It is true that all the problems I outlined in the post on Modernism in the Anglican Church are present in the Catholic Church. In many ways the effects have been even more devastating. At least the Anglicans with their good taste have preserved beautiful liturgy, architecture and sacred music in the midst of the modernism. Many Catholics have been even more gung ho on the dumbing down of Christianity, the vulgarization of the liturgy, art and architecture that is the philosophical offspring of modernism. … ….<\/p>\n

However, there are two distinct differences in the circumstances of Anglicanism and Catholicism. The first is that, while the Catholics have fallen into the same moral morass as Anglicanism, what they are doing has not been condoned and sanctioned by the Church.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Father Longenecker skrev p\u00e5 sin blog for noen dager siden om hvorfor han ble katolikk (han hadde tidligere v\u00e6rt anglikansk prest). Og han \u00e5pner innlegget sitt slik: I’m often asked why I left the Anglican Church to become a Catholic. Was it women’s ordination or some other issue? Well, the debate over women’s ordination was […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4264","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-teologi","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4264","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4264"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4264\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4679,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4264\/revisions\/4679"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4264"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4264"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4264"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}