{"id":4276,"date":"2009-12-04T14:47:32","date_gmt":"2009-12-04T12:47:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2112"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:02:13","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:02:13","slug":"tredje-gang-jeg-leser-msgr-gambers-bok-the-reform-of-the-roman-liturgy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2009\/12\/tredje-gang-jeg-leser-msgr-gambers-bok-the-reform-of-the-roman-liturgy\/","title":{"rendered":"Tredje gang jeg leser msgr. Gambers bok \u201cThe Reform of the Roman Liturgy\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Det viser seg at det er litt over et \u00e5r siden jeg leste denne boka sist, og da skrev jeg om at den nye liturgien ikke egentlig oppfylte Vatikankonsilets \u00f8nsker om liturgiske forandringer (<a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1417\">SE HER<\/a>) og om de mange uheldige konsekvensene av at presten n\u00e5 oftest vender seg &laquo;versus populum&raquo; (<a href=\"\/blog\/arkiv\/1416\">SE HER<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Denne gangen har jeg enda tydeligere lagt merke til at Gamber er \u00e5pen for en hel del forandringer i messen; bl.a. at lesningene gjerne m\u00e5 leses direkte p\u00e5 folkspr\u00e5ket (og det gjelder ogs\u00e5 deler av kommunionsliturgien), at man gjerne m\u00e5 gjeninnf\u00f8re folkets forb\u00f8nner f\u00f8r offertoriet (men de m\u00e5 ikke v\u00e6re s\u00e5 banale som de noen ganger blir), at man gjerne kan ta med en ekstra lesning i messen fra GT (men at det var feil \u00e5 rasere hele de gamle tesktrekkene), at folkets deltakelse i messen m\u00e5 understrekes (men at man ikke m\u00e5 lage et kunstig skille mellom ytre og indre deltakelse), at kirke\u00e5ret og helgendagene m\u00e5 revideres (men at forandringene i 1969 var altfor store, og ofte uheldige), etc.<\/p>\n<p>Han sp\u00f8r i sin bok hvordan man kan gjenvinne det man tapte ved de un\u00f8dvendig dramatiske forandringene i 1969, og svarer da at man m\u00e5 la de to messene leve side ved siden en stund, s\u00e5 vil det kunne ukrystalliseres hvordan en framtidig messe vil kune bli. Det er rett og slett p\u00e5fallende hvor mange ting hos Gamber vi finner igjen i pave Benedikts &laquo;frigivelse&raquo; av den gamle messen &#8211; ogs\u00e5 punktet om at messens bibeltekster gjerne kan leses direkte p\u00e5 folkespr\u00e5ket.<\/p>\n<p>Selv fors\u00f8ker jeg som prest s\u00e5 godt som mulig \u00e5 adlyde Kirkens regler, og feire messen s\u00e5 godt og verdig som mulig. Jeg har opplevd en stor berikelse ved \u00e5 feire ogs\u00e5 den gamle messen (den l\u00e6rer meg mye om messen og liturgien generelt), og jeg oppfordrer flere prester til \u00e5 la seg berike p\u00e5 denne m\u00e5ten.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Det viser seg at det er litt over et \u00e5r siden jeg leste denne boka sist, og da skrev jeg om at den nye liturgien ikke egentlig oppfylte Vatikankonsilets \u00f8nsker om liturgiske forandringer (SE HER) og om de mange uheldige konsekvensene av at presten n\u00e5 oftest vender seg &laquo;versus populum&raquo; (SE HER). 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