I forbindelse med \u00f8kumeniske temaer har jeg f\u00e5tt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om hvordan dogmet «Utenfor Kirken ingen frelse» skal forst\u00e5s. Katekismen svarer p\u00e5 dette (noks\u00e5 balansert vil jeg si, med ganske stor \u00e5penhet for dem som ikke kjenner Kirkens l\u00e6re) , og nedenfor refererer jeg ogs\u00e5 til en grundigere diskusjon om dette sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let. Slik uttrykker katekismen seg:<\/p>\n
846. Hvordan skal man forst\u00e5 denne p\u00e5standen som kirkefedrene s\u00e5 ofte gjentar? Positivt uttrykt betyr den at all frelse kommer fra Kristus, hodet, gjennom Kirken som er Hans legeme:<\/p>\n
Med st\u00f8tte i Den Hellige Skrift og i Tradisjonen l\u00e6rer kirkem\u00f8tet at Kirken, i den skikkelse den vandrer i her p\u00e5 jorden, er n\u00f8dvendig for frelsen. For Kristus alene er mellommannen og veien til frelse, og Han blir n\u00e6rv\u00e6rende for oss i sitt legeme som er Kirken. Ved uttrykkelig \u00e5 p\u00e5peke n\u00f8dvendigheten av troen og d\u00e5pen har Han samtidig fastsl\u00e5tt Kirkens n\u00f8dvendighet, for gjennom d\u00e5pen trer menneskene inn i Kirken som gjennom en port. Derfor skulle de mennesker ikke kunne frelses som, til tross for sin viten om at Den katolske kirke er grunnlagt av Gud ved Jesus Kristus som n\u00f8dvendig, allikevel har nektet \u00e5 tre inn i den eller \u00e5 vedbli i den.<\/p>\n
847. Det utsagnet ang\u00e5r ikke dem som, uten at det kan v\u00e6re tale om feil fra deres side, er uvitende om Kristus og Hans Kirke:<\/p>\n
For de som uforskyldt er uten kunnskap om Kristi Evangelium og Hans Kirke, men som ikke desto mindre s\u00f8ker Gud av et oppriktig hjerte, og under n\u00e5dens innskytelser pr\u00f8ver \u00e5 leve etter Hans vilje slik de erkjenner den ved sin samvittighet, kan n\u00e5 frem til den evige frelse.<\/p>\n
848. «Selv om Gud kan f\u00f8re mennesker, som – uten egen skyld – ikke kjenner Evangeliet, p\u00e5 veier, som kun Han kjenner, til troen, «uden hvilken det er umuligt \u00e5 ha Hans velbehag» (Hebr 11, 6), s\u00e5 er det for Kirken allikevel b\u00e5de n\u00f8dvendig og en hellig rett \u00e5 forkynne Evangeliet» for alle mennesker.<\/i><\/p>\n
G\u00e5 selv til katekismen og se sammenheng og fotnoter HER<\/a>, og en lang og grundig diskusjon om hva kirkefedre og kirkem\u00f8ter sier om sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let fins HER<\/a>. Bl.a. sier enkelte kirkefedre og paver f\u00f8lgende:<\/p>\n St. Irenaeus has one passage which might be considered restrictive. But in many other places he takes a very broad view: «There is one and the same God the Father and His Logos, always assisting the human race, with varied arrangements, to be sure, and doing many things, and saving from the beginning those who are saved, for they are those who love God, and, according to their age (genean) follow His Logos.» … …<\/p>\n We found restrictive texts in Hermas, St. Justin, St. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, St. Cyprian, Lactantius, St. Augustine, St. Cyril of Alexandria, and St. Fulgentius. There are also five Magisterium texts that seem restrictive.<\/p>\n We found broad texts much more widely. <\/font><\/i> v Only three of the above ten Fathers who have restrictive texts lack broad texts: St. Cyprian, Lactantius, and St. Fulgentius. All others, plus many more, do have them.<\/p>\n Broad texts are found in: First Clement, St. Justin, Hermas, Second Clement, St. Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Hegemonius, Arnobius, Eusebius of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nazianzus, St. John Chrysostom, St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. Prosper, St. Nilus, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Theodoret, St. Leo the Great, St. Gregory the Great, Primasius, and St. John Damascene. We added two samples of later writers with broad texts: Haymo and Oecumenius.<\/p>\n ……… …….<\/p>\n Pius IX<\/strong>, in «Quanto conficiamur moerore» of August 10, 1863, taught:<\/p>\n «God . . . in His supreme goodness and clemency, by no means allows anyone to be punished with eternal punishments who does not have the guilt of voluntary fault. But it is also a Catholic dogma, that no one outside the Catholic Church can be saved, and that those who are contumacious against the authority of the same Church (and) definitions and who are obstinately (pertinaciter) separated from the unity of this Church and from the Roman Pontiff, successor of Peter, to whom the custody of the vineyard was This is a most significant text. For in it Pius IX stressed both the broad view, and the need of membership. Further, Pius IX is noted for his insistent condemnation of indifferentism, as we see in this passage just quoted, and in his strong-sounding «Quanta cura.» So Pius IX does not deny the obligation to formally enter the Church if one knows the truth–that would be indifferentism– but he still could give a very broad statement which means that if one keeps the moral law as he knows it, somehow the other requirements will be met–though the Pope does not explain how. (At the end of this appendix we will try to explain how.) Yet he does help us by the words «contumacious . . . obstinate» which clearly show he has in mind those who culpably reject the Church. …<\/p>\n On August 9, 1949, the Holy Office, by order of Pope Pius XII<\/strong>, and basing itself on the teaching of Pius XII in his Mystical Body Encyclical, condemned the error of Leonard Feeney who held that those who failed to enter the Church formally, even with no fault of their own, could not reach salvation. The decree says:<\/p>\n «It is not always required that one be actually incorporated as a member of the Church, but this at least is required: that one adhere to it in wish and desire. It is not always necessary that this be explicit . . . but when a man labors under invincible ignorance, God accepts even an implicit will, called by that name because it is contained in the good disposition of soul in which a man wills to conform his will to the will of God.»<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" I forbindelse med \u00f8kumeniske temaer har jeg f\u00e5tt sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l om hvordan dogmet «Utenfor Kirken ingen frelse» skal forst\u00e5s. Katekismen svarer p\u00e5 dette (noks\u00e5 balansert vil jeg si, med ganske stor \u00e5penhet for dem som ikke kjenner Kirkens l\u00e6re) , og nedenfor refererer jeg ogs\u00e5 til en grundigere diskusjon om dette sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let. 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\nentrusted by the Savior, cannot obtain eternal salvation.»<\/p>\n