Jeg syns at det er litt trist at her p\u00e5 bloggen (og ogs\u00e5 mange andre steder) blir debatten noks\u00e5 polarisert, b\u00e5de n\u00e5r vi diskuterer liturgi og flere andre emner. Men det blir ofte mer fruktbare samtaler n\u00e5r man forst\u00e5r hverandre bedre. Jeg har ogs\u00e5 blitt spurt av noen som misliker bloggen min, hva jeg egentlig \u00f8nsker med den. Det er det ikke s\u00e5 lett \u00e5 svare p\u00e5 fullt ut, men n\u00e5r det gjelder Kirkens liturgi \u00f8nsker jeg f\u00f8rst og fremst at den kan feires best mulig, og jeg tror at vi oppn\u00e5r det best ved \u00e5 berikes av elementer fra b\u00e5de den gamle og den nye messen.<\/p>\n
I min lange liste med liturgib\u00f8ker har jeg n\u00e5 begynt p\u00e5 Laurence Paul Hemmnings «Worship as a revelation». Boka er ganske filosofisk og teoretisk, og jeg har ikke kommet s\u00e5 veldig langt i den, men mot slutten skriver Hemming noe (og siterer kardinal Ratzinger) som kan hjelpe oss til \u00e5 legge vekt p\u00e5 b\u00e5de det gamle og det nye, n\u00e5r vi kontinuerlig skal arbeide med liturgien:<\/p>\n
I have already remarked on Benedict XVI’s characterization of the need for a ‘hermeneutic of continuityin interpreting the postconciliar period of the Church’s life. He has extended this interpretative key to the liturgy itself, by saying that ‘the changes which the Council called for need to be understood within the overall unity of the historical development of the rite itself, without the introduction of artificial discontinuities’, adding in a note: ‘I am referring here to the need for a hermeneutic of continuity also with regard to the correct interpretation of the liturgical development which followed the Second Vatican Council. … …<\/p>\n In 1996, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger gave a protracted interview to the German journalist Peter Seewald about the state and present situation of the Church. He spoke once again of his disappointment with liturgical developments in the postconciliar period, speaking of how the liturgy has been ‘flattened’ and evacuated of mystery. Seewald put the following question: ‘wouldn’t it be conceivable to reactivate the old rite in order to work against this levelling and demystification?’ The future pope’s response is a clear indication that there are no short-cuts, no easy solutions to the present situation with respect to the sacred liturgy. Ratzinger replied:<\/p>\n That alone would not be a solution. I am of the opinion, to be sure, that the old rite should be granted much more generously to all those who desire it. It is impossible to see what could be dangerous or unacceptable about that. A community is calling its very being into question when it suddenly declares that what until now was its holiest and highest possession is strictly forbidden and when it makes the longing for it seem downright indecent. Can it be trusted anymore about anything else? Won’t it proscribe again tomorrow what it prescribes today?<\/p>\n But a simple return to the old way would not, as I have said, be a solution.<\/b> Our culture has changed so radically in the last thirty years that a liturgy celebrated exclusively in Latin would bring with it an experience of foreignness that many could not cope with. What we need is a new liturgical education, especially of priests. It must once again become clear that liturgical scholarship doesn’t exist in order to produce constantly new models, though that may be all right for the car manufacturing industry. It exists in order to introduce us into feast and celebration, to make man capable of the mystery. Here we ought to learn not just from the Eastern Church but from all the religions of the world, which all know that liturgy is something other than the invention of texts and rites, that it lives precisely from what is beyond manipulation. Young people have a very strong sense of this. Centres in which the liturgy is celebrated reverently and nobly without nonsense attract, even if one doesn’t understand every word. We need such centres to set an example. Unfortunately, in Germany tolerance for bizarre tinkering is almost unlimited, whereas tolerance for the old liturgy is practically nonexistent. We are surely on the wrong path in that regard.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n <\/font><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Jeg syns at det er litt trist at her p\u00e5 bloggen (og ogs\u00e5 mange andre steder) blir debatten noks\u00e5 polarisert, b\u00e5de n\u00e5r vi diskuterer liturgi og flere andre emner. Men det blir ofte mer fruktbare samtaler n\u00e5r man forst\u00e5r hverandre bedre. 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