{"id":4383,"date":"2010-02-19T17:54:29","date_gmt":"2010-02-19T15:54:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2222"},"modified":"2012-02-13T11:02:11","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T10:02:11","slug":"sognepresten-kan-avgj%c3%b8re-om-og-nar-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen-kan-feires","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2010\/02\/sognepresten-kan-avgj%c3%b8re-om-og-nar-den-tradisjonelle-latinske-messen-kan-feires\/","title":{"rendered":"Sognepresten kan avgj\u00f8re om og n\u00e5r den tradisjonelle latinske messen kan feires"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Fra Polen er det skrevet et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l til Vatikanets kommisjon &laquo;Ecclesia Dei&raquo; om sognepresten p\u00e5 eget initiativ kan velge \u00e5 feire den tradisjonelle latinske messen i sin menighet (uten at han direkte har f\u00e5tt en foresp\u00f8rsel fra ei gruppe troende), og om det vil v\u00e6re mulig \u00e5 bytte ut en s\u00f8ndagsmesse i messens nye form med en TLM. Svaret er ja p\u00e5 begge disse sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lene:<\/p>\n<p><i><font color=\"#333399\"> &#8230;. &#8230;.<br \/>\n2. Can the holy Mass in the extraordinary form be scheduled for the hour when until now holy Mass was celebrated in the ordinary form? &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>3. Can a pastor or another priest celebrate publicly of his own accord the extraordinary form \u2013 apart from the usual regular use of the new form \u2013 &laquo;so that all faithful \u2013 both young and old \u2013 become familiar with the older rite and can benefit from its appreciable beauty and transcendence&raquo;? &#8230; ..<\/p>\n<p>Answer from &laquo;Ecclesia Dei&raquo;:<br \/>\nad 2 and ad 3: The question is left to the prudent judgment of the parish priest [pastor, parochus] it being understood that the stable group of faithful have the right to assist at the celebration of Mass in the Extraordinary Form.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Les gjerne mer om dette <a href=\"http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2010\/02\/summorum-allows-substitution-of-novus-ordo-masses-with-tlms-on-priests-own-initiative\/\">her<\/a> og <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\/2010\/02\/important-clarifications-from-ecclesia.html\">her<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Men husk at pave Benedikts motu proprio om den gamle messen ogs\u00e5 sier at det bare kan feires \u00e9n s\u00f8ndagsmesse i den ekstraordin\u00e6re form i en menighet hver s\u00f8ndag, mens i messens ordin\u00e6re form feires man s\u00e5 mange s\u00f8ndagsmesser som n\u00f8dvendig. TLM er messens ekstraordin\u00e6re form &#8211; og den m\u00e5 gjerne brukes &#8211; den skal p\u00e5 ingen m\u00e5te erstatte den nye messen.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Fra Polen er det skrevet et sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l til Vatikanets kommisjon &laquo;Ecclesia Dei&raquo; om sognepresten p\u00e5 eget initiativ kan velge \u00e5 feire den tradisjonelle latinske messen i sin menighet (uten at han direkte har f\u00e5tt en foresp\u00f8rsel fra ei gruppe troende), og om det vil v\u00e6re mulig \u00e5 bytte ut en s\u00f8ndagsmesse i messens nye form [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4383","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4383","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4383"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4383\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4963,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4383\/revisions\/4963"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4383"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4383"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4383"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}