{"id":4384,"date":"2010-02-20T14:10:19","date_gmt":"2010-02-20T12:10:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blog\/arkiv\/2223"},"modified":"2012-02-13T10:53:03","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T09:53:03","slug":"pave-benedikt-skal-besoke-den-lutherske-kirken-i-roma-14-mars","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2010\/02\/pave-benedikt-skal-besoke-den-lutherske-kirken-i-roma-14-mars\/","title":{"rendered":"Pave Benedikt skal bes\u00f8ke den lutherske kirken i Roma 14. mars"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.zenit.org\/article-28398?l=english\">Zenit.org skriver om dette bes\u00f8ket her<\/a>, og bakgrunnen er at Romas lutherske menigheten hadde invitert pave Benedikt i 2008, for \u00e5 komme og markere at det da var 25 \u00e5r siden pave Johannes paul IIs f\u00f8rste bes\u00f8k i menigheten i 1983.<\/p>\n<p>Den lutherske menigheten er glade for bes\u00f8ket, og <i><font color=\"#333399\"> according to the Lutheran community, Benedict XVI&#8217;s homily will be on the biblical passage from John: &laquo;Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p>For his part, Pastor Jens-Martin Kruse will analyze the first chapter of the Second Letter of St. Paul to the Corinthians, which speaks about Christ&#8217;s consolation in moments of tribulation.<\/font><\/i><\/p>\n<p>Den katolske bloggen Rorate c\u00e6li skriver om bes\u00f8k i to artikler. F\u00f8rst er det <a href=\"http:\/\/rorate-caeli.blogspot.com\/2010\/02\/pope-benedict-xvi-to-visit-lutheran.html\">en ren nyhetsmelding<\/a>, som har f\u00f8rt til en hel del SV\u00c6RT NEGATIVE KOMMENTARER OG STERK KRITIKK AV PAVE BENEDIKT. Dernest er det <a href=\"http:\/\/rorate-caeli.blogspot.com\/2010\/02\/italian-lutherans.html\">en artikkel som ser p\u00e5 den lutherske menigheten i Roma<\/a> p\u00e5 en forholdsvis objektiv m\u00e5te; sier at den stort sett best\u00e5r av tyskspr\u00e5klige, men at det ogs\u00e5 er noen inngiftede (og sannsynligvis tidligere katolske) italienere der. Som eksempel nevner de en italiensk kvinne som var d\u00f8pt katolsk, ble agnostiker, og under noen studie\u00e5r i Tyskland kom tilbake til kristen tro og ble lutheraner. Denne andre artikkelen har s\u00e5 langt ikke f\u00e5tt s\u00e6rlig mange kommentarer.<\/p>\n<p>Jeg reagerte spesielt p\u00e5 kommentarene til den f\u00f8rste artikkelen, fordi disse katolikkene ikke ser ut til \u00e5 ville forst\u00e5 at n\u00e5r vi katolikker samarbeider med &#8216;alle menensker av god vilje&#8217;, med protestanter etc., s\u00e5 betyr det ikke at vi (dvs. paven og den offisielle Kirken) har blitt relativister, at vi ikke mener sannheten er viktig, eller at vi tviler p\u00e5 at den katolske tro er den rette tro. Men vi kan samarbeide med alle slags mennesker (dvs. uavhengig av deres religi\u00f8se tro) om aktuelle praktiske og ideologiske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l der vi er enige. Det samme kan vi gj\u00f8re med protestantiske kristne, men med disse kan vi ogs\u00e5 samarbeide om det vi har felles som kristne (som er ganske mye, men langt fra alt, i v\u00e5r tro). Men n\u00e5r pave Benedikt og den lutherske pastoren i Roma m\u00f8tes til felles bibellesning og b\u00f8nn, og reflekterer over henholdsvis Johannesevangeliet og Paulus&#8217; brev til korinterne, klarer jeg ikke \u00e5 forst\u00e5 opphisselsen.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Zenit.org skriver om dette bes\u00f8ket her, og bakgrunnen er at Romas lutherske menigheten hadde invitert pave Benedikt i 2008, for \u00e5 komme og markere at det da var 25 \u00e5r siden pave Johannes paul IIs f\u00f8rste bes\u00f8k i menigheten i 1983. Den lutherske menigheten er glade for bes\u00f8ket, og according to the Lutheran community, Benedict [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4384","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4384","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4384"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4384\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4664,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4384\/revisions\/4664"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4384"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4384"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4384"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}