{"id":6653,"date":"2012-05-21T15:21:01","date_gmt":"2012-05-21T13:21:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=6653"},"modified":"2012-05-21T15:21:01","modified_gmt":"2012-05-21T13:21:01","slug":"aktiv-deltakelse-i-den-tradisjonelle-messen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2012\/05\/aktiv-deltakelse-i-den-tradisjonelle-messen\/","title":{"rendered":"Aktiv deltakelse i den tradisjonelle messen"},"content":{"rendered":"

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\nJeg leste i dag en artikkel p\u00e5 Father Z’s blogg<\/a> om hvor aktiv (med ord) man skal v\u00e6re n\u00e5r man assisterer i den tradisjonelle messen:<\/p>\n

In the article \u201cThe Traditional Mass is Not a Spectator Sport by Steve Skojec focuses on the liturgical participation of the congregation urged by members of The Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem … At their parish the whole congregation is encouraged to make the responses and sing those parts of the Mass \u2013 Extraordinary Form, mind you \u2013 that pertain to them. Here is the meat of the article …:<\/p>\n

«Dom Daniel likes to remind visitors to the Priory that they do things \u201cby the book.\u201d They are rubrically scrupulous to the 1962 Missal, even if that might cause shudders to anyone who carries around a tattered copy of Pope St. Pius V\u2019s Quo Primum in their back pocket. Among devotees of the Gregorian Rite, there\u2019s some controversy in the notion that the faithful should ever open their mouths, whether in prayer or in song, within the context of a Sunday liturgy.» …<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Artikkelen har allerede nesten 100 kommenterer; mange interessante, og denne aller f\u00f8rste kommentarer syns jeg var sv\u00e6rt interessant og nyttig:<\/p>\n

Fr. Augustine Thompson O.P. says:
\nAt least in Italy, lay people were singing the short responses (Amen, et cum spiritu tuo, etc.) up to the end of the middle ages. By the 1400s when \u201cLow Mass\u201d became common, they were also making the public responses (although not the ministerial ones like the prayers at the foot of the altar). I deal with this in my book, «Cities of God: The Religion of the Italian Communes, 1125-1325» (available on Amazon).<\/p>\n

The best guess for the origin of the \u201cmute\u201d congregation seems to be in the post-Tridentine period. In the late 1500s there was a concerted push to make \u201clay\u201d and \u201cclerical\u201d prayer completely different to emphasize the \u201cdistinctiveness\u201d of the Catholic priesthood against the Protestants. The way Spanish laypeople were forced to stop saying their private prayers in Latin and start using Spanish is outlined in William Christian\u2019s «Religion in Sixteenth-Century Spain». The high point of this attitude was in the early 1700s when lay people were not even allowed to have copies of the Ordinary of the Mass in Latin, much less in vernacular.<\/p>\n

This was a bad idea from the start, IMHO. Catholic priests are different from the laity, but there are better ways to get this truth across.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Jeg leste i dag en artikkel p\u00e5 Father Z’s blogg om hvor aktiv (med ord) man skal v\u00e6re n\u00e5r man assisterer i den tradisjonelle messen: In the article \u201cThe Traditional Mass is Not a Spectator Sport by Steve Skojec focuses on the liturgical participation of the congregation urged by members of The Canons Regular of […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6653","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6653","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6653"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6653\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6656,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6653\/revisions\/6656"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6653"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6653"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6653"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}