{"id":675,"date":"2010-11-16T08:12:55","date_gmt":"2010-11-16T07:12:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=675"},"modified":"2010-11-16T09:02:12","modified_gmt":"2010-11-16T08:02:12","slug":"hvordan-kan-den-nye-messen-ligne-mest-mulig-pa-den-gamle","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2010\/11\/hvordan-kan-den-nye-messen-ligne-mest-mulig-pa-den-gamle\/","title":{"rendered":"Hvordan kan den nye messen ligne mest mulig p\u00e5 den gamle"},"content":{"rendered":"

I ett av sine nyhetsbrev skriver Windsor Latin Mass Society<\/a> om et eksempel p\u00e5 hvordan en brudemesse blir feiret etter Novus ordo, p\u00e5 en m\u00e5te som fikk mange til \u00e5 tro at det var den tradisjonelle latinske messen som ble feiret:<\/p>\n

… Our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI has on several occasions spoken of the need for a \u201cHermeneutic of Continuity\u201d between the Extraordinary and Ordinary Forms of Holy Mass. By this he means that the Ordinary Form should demonstrate a lineage to its roots in the classic Roman liturgy. This wedding did exactly that. Rubrics of the Ordinary Form were followed precisely as in the Missal. If something was unclear or unspecified, the Tridentine custom was maintained. While there were characteristics unmistakably from the new rite, such as the presence of a concelebrant and the inclusion of Prayers of the Faithful, it might surprise some of our readers to see just what is possible and permissible in the modern liturgy:<\/p>\n

\u2022 Celebration of the Mass ad ori\u00e9ntem at the High Altar
\n\u2022 Celebrant and concelebrant wore Roman \u201cfiddleback\u201d vestments, maniples, and birettas
\n\u2022 Introit, Offertory, and Communion Antiphons, Gradual (instead of Responsorial Psalm) and Alleluia chanted by the choir from the 1974 Gradu\u00e1le Rom\u00e1num
\n\u2022 Chanted Opening Prayer, Prayer Over the Gifts, Preface, and Prayer After Communion
\n\u2022 Chanted Kyrie, Gl\u00f3ria, and Credo (the latter because Sunday Propers were chosen for the 5:00 PM Mass time)
\n\u2022 Readings set to Gregorian Chant, one in English, one in French, and the Holy Gospel in Latin.
\n\u2022 Eucharistic Prayer I, the Roman Canon
\n\u2022 Holy Communion distributed at the Communion Rail<\/p>\n

… In 1998, then-Cardinal Ratzinger mentioned in a speech that the average Catholic would find far less difference between the Extraordinary Form and the Ordinary Form celebrated as this wedding was, than between such a Mass and the Ordinary Form as typically celebrated in Western countries. Indeed, the experience, while in many ways different from the Extraordinary Form, was not all that different rubrically. If we exclude content differences in the texts of the Mass and focus on the externals only \u2013 which are what most people will remember from the Mass \u2013 there were many similarities. So many so, that a priest in attendance asked, \u201cIs this what they call a \u2018Tridentine\u2019 Mass?\u201d <\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Les hele dette nyhetsbrevet HER<\/a> (pdf). (Samtidig m\u00e5 vi kanskje sp\u00f8rre oss om det er \u00f8nskelig eller nyttig \u00e5 gj\u00f8re de to formene av messen s\u00e5 like.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I ett av sine nyhetsbrev skriver Windsor Latin Mass Society om et eksempel p\u00e5 hvordan en brudemesse blir feiret etter Novus ordo, p\u00e5 en m\u00e5te som fikk mange til \u00e5 tro at det var den tradisjonelle latinske messen som ble feiret: … Our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI has on several occasions spoken of the […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-675","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-tlm"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/675","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=675"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/675\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=675"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=675"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=675"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}