{"id":6944,"date":"2012-06-24T18:51:48","date_gmt":"2012-06-24T16:51:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=6944"},"modified":"2012-06-24T12:59:38","modified_gmt":"2012-06-24T10:59:38","slug":"mer-om-messen-som-offer-og-maltid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2012\/06\/mer-om-messen-som-offer-og-maltid\/","title":{"rendered":"Mer om messen som offer og m\u00e5ltid"},"content":{"rendered":"

NLM-bloggen nevnte for noen dager siden<\/a> at den femte Fota internasjonale liturgiske konferansen arrangeres i Cork City, Irland fra 7. til 9. juli 2012. Lesere av denne bloggen vil vite at jeg ser p\u00e5 sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om messen som et offer er et av de viktigste liturgiske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lene i v\u00e5r tid; b\u00e5de messen og prestenes identitet avhenger av en riktig forst\u00e5else av dette. Om konferansens tema sies det bl.a.:<\/p>\n

The theme of Fota V is \u201cCelebrating the Eucharist: Sacrifice and Communion.\u201d The subject continues liturgical and theological reflection on the Eucharist in the wake of the 50th. International Eucharist Congress held in Dublin under the title The Eucharist: Communion with Christ and with one another. The importance of that reflection for ecclesial renewal was strongly emphasized by Pope Benedict XVI in his message to the Dublin Congress. …<\/p>\n

The basis for this year\u2019s reflection is a paper entitled The \u2018Basic Structure\u2019 (Grundgestalt) of the Eucharistic Celebration According to Joseph Ratzinger, delivered at last year\u2019s Conference by Professor Dr. Manfred Hauke of Lugano who drew attention to the debate between Franz Seraph Renz (1884\u20131916) and his student Franz Sales Wieland (1877\u20131957) of Augsburg who insisted that the Eucharist was essentially and meal, and the counter challenge of the Innsbruck dogmatic theologian, Emil Dorsch SJ (1867\u20131934), who asserted the essentially sacrificial nature of the Eucharist. This debate forms the theological background to the discussion, in its stricter sense, on the topic of the Eucharist as sacrifice or meal, which began in 1939 with some reflections by Romano Guardini, and culminated in the 1980s with the contributions of Joseph Ratzinger and Walter Kasper.<\/p>\n

The most important contribution of Joseph Ratzinger to this debate is an article, published in 1977, in the German edition of the journal Communio . This article, supplemented by two addenda, was subsequently published in his book The Feast of faith (1981), and now appears as part of the collected works of Joseph Ratzinger (in German), in volume eleven dedicated to the theology of the liturgy (2008). The importance of this contribution is evident in the remark of Ratzinger that: \u201c[with] the concept of form or structure [Gestalt], a hitherto unknown category entered the theological dialogue, clearly recognizable as a power for reform. Indeed, it can be said that it was this category that gave birth to liturgical scholarship in the modern sense.\u201d<\/p>\n

Professor Hauke points out that the core of the discussion revolves around Guardini\u2019s idea that \u2018structure\u2019 (or \u2018form\/figure\/shape\u2019, in German Gestalt) and \u2018content\u2019 (Gehalt) are entirely different things: thus the Holy Mass in its \u2018structure\u2019 is a meal, but its \u2018content\u2019 is a sacrifice. This divergence between liturgical structure and dogmatic content, according to Ratzinger: \u201cmust be regarded as the central problem of the liturgical reform. Failure to deal with it has resulted in a great many of the individual problems that have since preoccupied us.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Professor Dr. Hauke vil ogs\u00e5 i \u00e5r holde et foredran om «the question of the systematical discussion on the \u201cessence\u201d of Eucharistic Sacrifice». <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

NLM-bloggen nevnte for noen dager siden at den femte Fota internasjonale liturgiske konferansen arrangeres i Cork City, Irland fra 7. til 9. juli 2012. Lesere av denne bloggen vil vite at jeg ser p\u00e5 sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om messen som et offer er et av de viktigste liturgiske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5lene i v\u00e5r tid; b\u00e5de messen og prestenes identitet […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6944","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6944","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6944"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6944\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6946,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6944\/revisions\/6946"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6944"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6944"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6944"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}