{"id":7411,"date":"2012-09-11T20:04:48","date_gmt":"2012-09-11T18:04:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=7411"},"modified":"2012-09-11T20:04:48","modified_gmt":"2012-09-11T18:04:48","slug":"eksempler-pa-liturgiske-feil","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2012\/09\/eksempler-pa-liturgiske-feil\/","title":{"rendered":"Eksempler p\u00e5 liturgiske feil"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Bloggen <a href=\"http:\/\/www.praytellblog.com\/\">PrayTell<\/a> er p\u00e5 ingen m\u00e5te spesielt konservativt, det kan man se b\u00e5de p\u00e5 innlegg om kommentarer, men ofte tar de opp interessante og aktuelle (mest) liturgiske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.praytellblog.com\/index.php\/2012\/09\/09\/this-weeks-discussion-question-unwitting-agents-of-the-reform-of-the-reform\/\">Nylig spurte de<\/a> om hvilke liturgiske feil prester gj\u00f8r, som (uten at de \u00f8nsker det) kan f\u00f8re til en konservativ reform av liturgien. I innlegges nevnes det to slike feil; det ene er at presten begynner messen med et rungende &laquo;Good morning!&raquo;, og det andre er at han l\u00f8fter hostien og kalken h\u00f8yt opp under konserkrasjonen (dvs mens han sier ordene), ser p\u00e5 menigheten hele tiden, og p\u00e5 en m\u00e5te &laquo;spiller&raquo; handlingen for dem. Slike ting ser man ofte i USA, men jeg har heldigvis aldri sett det i Norge.<\/p>\n<p>I en kommentar skriver Fr. Allan J. McDonald  interessant om dette:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We have to keep in mind that many priests my age and older (in their 50\u2032s and forward) were taught and had modeled for us the Fr. Eugene Walsh school of celebrating Mass which is a model that has the priest trying to engage the \u201cassembly\u201d with a smile on one\u2019s face and dramatic gestures towards them to embrace them and pull them into the \u201caction\u201d of the Liturgy.<br \/>\nHe encouraged dramatic eye-contact with the congregation not only in reading the lessons, I mean, proclaiming the Scriptures and having an \u201cinformal\u201d formality, a kind of \u201cliving room\u201d approach to connecting the priest to the assembly and the assembly to one another and to the priest. What this leads to is a \u201cfalse\u201d liturgical familiarity with the assembly, proclaiming not only the Scriptures to the assembly but also the prayers, all the prayers, and reading these as though they are directed to the assembly, not only with gestures, but with eye contact and moving one\u2019s eyes and head toward the assembly so that each person present feels as though they are pulled into the \u201caction\u201d of the prayer.<br \/>\nFacing the congregation directly by not only the priest but also the choir or ensemble leading the music gives an air to the entertainment model of assemblies that so many experience today when they attend Mass even if no rubrics are actually challenged or words changed, but the latter two do occur and rather frequently in innocuous and blatant ways. And when the priest faces the congregation for prayer, many often comment that they like this, that or another priest or dislike him because of his demeanor and visual piety thus developing the \u201ccult the celebrity priest or the villain priest\u201d based upon the visual features and piety of the priest\u2019s face.  &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/southernorderspage.blogspot.com\/\">Fr. Allan J. McDonald interessant blogg kan leses her<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bloggen PrayTell er p\u00e5 ingen m\u00e5te spesielt konservativt, det kan man se b\u00e5de p\u00e5 innlegg om kommentarer, men ofte tar de opp interessante og aktuelle (mest) liturgiske sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l. Nylig spurte de om hvilke liturgiske feil prester gj\u00f8r, som (uten at de \u00f8nsker det) kan f\u00f8re til en konservativ reform av liturgien. I innlegges nevnes det [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7411","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7411","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7411"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7411\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7412,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7411\/revisions\/7412"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7411"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=7411"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=7411"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}