{"id":843,"date":"2010-12-31T16:44:10","date_gmt":"2010-12-31T15:44:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=843"},"modified":"2011-01-04T08:28:18","modified_gmt":"2011-01-04T07:28:18","slug":"gamber-om-nar-presten-vender-seg-mot-folket","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2010\/12\/gamber-om-nar-presten-vender-seg-mot-folket\/","title":{"rendered":"Gamber &#8211; om n\u00e5r presten vender seg mot folket"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/bilder\/gamber_modern_rite.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"gamber_modern_rite\" width=\"293\" height=\"469\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-842\" \/> Msgr. Klaus Gamber skriver i sin essaysamling &laquo;The Modern Rite&raquo; om tanken om at presten b\u00f8r vende seg mot folket:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In his &laquo;&#8216;Guidelines for the Layout and Arrangements of a Church in the Spirit of the Roman Liturgy,&raquo; in 1949, Theodor Klauser says (no. 8) that: &laquo;There are many indications that in church buildings of the future the priest will once more stand behind the altar, as he did formerly, and will celebrate Mass facing towards the people, just as is still done in the Roman basilicas; the desire, which is felt everywhere, to have the eucharistic fellowship more clearly expressed by gathering round the table, seems to favour this solution.&raquo;<\/p>\n<p>What Klauser, in his day, posited as a desirable development, has in the meantime become widely regarded as the norm. People are almost all of the opinion that they have thereby restored an early Christian custom. But is this in fact really so? &#8230; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>P\u00e5 de 40 \u00e5ra som er g\u00e5tt siden msgr. Gamber skrev dette, er denne tanken (om at presten i tidligere tider vendte seg mot folket) blitt avvist ganske s\u00e5 grundig, og gjentatte ganger. Men likevel h\u00f8rer jeg prester som ogs\u00e5 i dag sier hvor viktig det er at presten vender seg mot folk, ser p\u00e5 dem, snakker til dem osv. Er det slik at prestene ikke f\u00f8lger med i den teologiske debatten, eller er det at de ikke \u00f8nsker \u00e5 forandre den praksisen de selv har l\u00e6rt seg, hva er det som gj\u00f8r at de holder fast p\u00e5 en slik feil forst\u00e5else?<\/p>\n<p>Selvsagt skal presten vende seg mot folk i deler av messen, men ikke n\u00e5r de ber til Gud, og msgr. Gamber er ganske klar i sin konklushon i dette kapittelet:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; How are things arranged in the Eastern Church? Here too there was never a time when a celebration &laquo;&#8216;turned towards the people&raquo; was customary, since there is no explicit witness to it. It is remarkable that in the case of a concelebration, of which there is a long tradition in the Eastern Church, the principal celebrant normally stands with his back to the congregation, while the priests who are concelebrating stand to his right and his left. But at no point do they take up a position behind the altar.<\/p>\n<p>The decisive question, with regard to the position of the priest at the altar, is, as we have already mentioned several times, the character of the Mass as a sacrifice. The person offering the sacrifice turns towards the person to whom the sacrifice is being presented. By early Christian conceptions, one did this by turning to look towards the east. &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; One can best do justice to the aspect of the Mass as a sacrifice if, during the Eucharistic Prayer, in the course of which the holy sacrifice is consummated, all the people together with the priest turn in the same direction (that is to say, towards the east). The aspect of a meal, in turn, could be brought out more clearly by the way the ritual of Communion is shaped. We do not need to give any particular explanation here why it is that priest and readers should face the people for the proclamation of the Word of God. &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Msgr. Klaus Gamber skriver i sin essaysamling &laquo;The Modern Rite&raquo; om tanken om at presten b\u00f8r vende seg mot folket: In his &laquo;&#8216;Guidelines for the Layout and Arrangements of a Church in the Spirit of the Roman Liturgy,&raquo; in 1949, Theodor Klauser says (no. 8) that: &laquo;There are many indications that in church buildings of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11,15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-843","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/843","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=843"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/843\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":846,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/843\/revisions\/846"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=843"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=843"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=843"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}