{"id":8866,"date":"2014-01-21T07:45:37","date_gmt":"2014-01-21T06:45:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=8866"},"modified":"2014-01-20T14:55:15","modified_gmt":"2014-01-20T13:55:15","slug":"vaticanum-2-og-liturgireformen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2014\/01\/vaticanum-2-og-liturgireformen\/","title":{"rendered":"Vaticanum 2 og liturgireformen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>P\u00e5 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\" target=\"_blank\">NLM-bloggen<\/a> (NLM=The New Liturgical Movement) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newliturgicalmovement.org\/2014\/01\/the-danger-of-equating-vatican-ii-and.html\">leser jeg et interessant (og litt dristig) innlegg om Vatikankonsilet og den p\u00e5f\u00f8lgende liturgireformen<\/a>. For noe katolikker er den nye liturgien (p\u00e5 morsm\u00e5let) det eneste forbinder med konsilet skriver Peter Kwasniewski. Men selvsagt tok konsilet opp mange andre sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l, skriver han, og det som skjedde med liturgien \u00e5rene etter konsilet var egentlig noen annet (eller mye mer) enn det biskopene hadde bedt om. Slik skriver han: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Pope John Paul II pointed out: \u201cFor many people, the message of the Second Vatican Council was perceived principally through the liturgical reform\u201d (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/john_paul_ii\/apost_letters\/documents\/hf_jp-ii_apl_04121988_vicesimus-quintus-annus_en.html\">Vicesimus Quintus<\/a> Annus, 12).<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s just the problem in a nutshell, isn\u2019t it? If the liturgical reform itself was bungled\u2014and, in the wake of the scathing critiques of Gamber, Ratzinger, Nichols, Lang, Mosebach, Robinson, Reid, et alia, it is no longer intellectually honest to think that it was not, in some very important respects\u2014and, what is worse, if its implementation was still further compromised by the prevailing secularism of the environment into which it was launched, one must ask: What version, or rather, what caricature, of Vatican II did those many people perceive whose idea of the Council came, perhaps exclusively, from the liturgical revolution?<\/p>\n<p>They took in little or nothing of the authentic doctrine of the Council\u2014the salubrious doctrine that, according to John XXIII\u2019s intention and the very words of Vatican II itself, fully accorded with the teaching of former ecumenical councils, especially those of Trent and Vatican I. &#8230; &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230; What is necessary today is to show, patiently, persistently, and accurately, with the humility and confidence born of careful study, that the fathers of Vatican II did not desire or ask for the liturgical reform that came out of Bugnini\u2019s Consilium, that the Novus Ordo Missae is not in full accord with Sacrosanctum Concilium, and that the teaching of the sixteen official documents of Vatican II supports rather than dismantles traditional Catholic theology and piety. &#8230; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>P\u00e5 NLM-bloggen (NLM=The New Liturgical Movement) leser jeg et interessant (og litt dristig) innlegg om Vatikankonsilet og den p\u00e5f\u00f8lgende liturgireformen. For noe katolikker er den nye liturgien (p\u00e5 morsm\u00e5let) det eneste forbinder med konsilet skriver Peter Kwasniewski. Men selvsagt tok konsilet opp mange andre sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l, skriver han, og det som skjedde med liturgien \u00e5rene etter [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8866","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8866","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8866"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8866\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8869,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8866\/revisions\/8869"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8866"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8866"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8866"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}