{"id":8960,"date":"2014-03-27T22:59:50","date_gmt":"2014-03-27T21:59:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=8960"},"modified":"2014-03-28T09:09:08","modified_gmt":"2014-03-28T08:09:08","slug":"okumenikk-apent-nattverdbord-godta-hverandres-dap","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2014\/03\/okumenikk-apent-nattverdbord-godta-hverandres-dap\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00d8kumenikk: \u00c5pent nattverdbord &#8211; godta hverandres d\u00e5p?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I den svenske avisa Dagen diskuteres n\u00e5 katolikkers syn p\u00e5 flere sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l ganske intenst, etter nyheten om Ulf Ekmans konvertering. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dagen.se\/opinion\/debatt\/katolsk-nattvard-en-bekannelse\/\">I dag stod dette innlegget<\/a> fra en katolikk; om kravet om \u00e5pent nattverdbord knyttet til sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om baptister\/pinsevenner vil godta barned\u00e5p. Martin Ekenv\u00e4rn skriver f\u00f8rst om hva som kreves for \u00e5 delta i katolsk nattverd:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>F\u00f6r det f\u00f6rsta bek\u00e4nner man Katolska kyrkans apostoliska succession och auktoritet. Biskop Ignatius av Antiokia skrev n\u00e5gon g\u00e5ng mellan \u00e5r 90 och 107 efter Kristus f\u00f6ljande i sitt brev till smyrnierna: \u201dDen eukaristi skall anses giltig som f\u00f6rr\u00e4ttas av biskopen eller av n\u00e5gon som han f\u00f6rordnar. D\u00e4r biskopen visar sig, d\u00e4r skall ocks\u00e5 f\u00f6rsamlingen vara, liksom den katolska kyrkan finns d\u00e4r Jesus \u00e4r. Det \u00e4r allts\u00e5 inte til\u00adl\u00e5\u00adte\u00adt att d\u00f6pa eller att h\u00e5lla k\u00e4rleksm\u00e5ltid utan biskopens till\u00e5telse\u201d. &#8230;.<br \/>\nF\u00f6r det andra bek\u00e4nner man att man i bikt f\u00e5tt avl\u00f6sning fr\u00e5n sv\u00e5ra synder av en vigd katolsk pr\u00e4st, det vill s\u00e4ga lever i n\u00e5dens tillst\u00e5nd. Att ta emot nattvarden utan att leva i n\u00e5dens tillst\u00e5nd \u00e4r enligt Katolska kyrkan en sv\u00e5r synd. Ingen samvetsgrann katolik skulle h\u00f6rsamma nattvardsinbjudan utan att f\u00f6rst bek\u00e4nna sina synder f\u00f6r en pr\u00e4st, eftersom m\u00e5ltiden d\u00e5 skulle vara till skada snarare \u00e4n till nytta. &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>F\u00f6r det tredje bek\u00e4nner man att br\u00f6det och vinet \u00e4r Kristi sanna kropp. Ignatius skriver i sitt brev till smyrnierna ocks\u00e5 f\u00f6ljande ord: \u201dFr\u00e5n eukaristin och b\u00f6nen h\u00e5ller de sig borta, eftersom de inte bek\u00e4nner att eukaristin \u00e4r v\u00e5r Fr\u00e4lsare Jesu Kristi k\u00f6tt som led f\u00f6r v\u00e5ra synders skull och som Fadern uppv\u00e4ckte i sin godhet.\u201d Att ta emot nattvarden i en katolsk kyrka inneb\u00e4r d\u00e4rmed en bek\u00e4nnelse av att en transsubstantiation \u00e4gt rum, d\u00e4r br\u00f6det och vinet till sin materia visserligen fortfarande \u00e4r br\u00f6d och vin, men att det till sin substans blivit Kristus, v\u00e4rdigt v\u00e5r tillbedjan och lovs\u00e5ng.   &#8230;.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Innlegget avsluttes med en utfordring til pinsevenne:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p> &#8230;.. Katolska kyrkan har tagit ett stort steg mot enhet genom erk\u00e4nnandet av dop som sker i icke-katolska kyrkor. Lutherska v\u00e4rldssamfundet och Katolska kyrkan har skrivit under en gemensam deklaration om r\u00e4ttf\u00e4rdigg\u00f6relsel\u00e4ran. Vad \u00e4r Hultmans samfund, pingstr\u00f6relsen, beredda att \u00e4ndra f\u00f6r enhetens skull? \u00c4r man beredd att erk\u00e4nna att omdop och underk\u00e4nnanden av barndop \u00e4r ett lika stort hinder f\u00f6r den kristna enheten som en exkluderande nattvardssyn?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I den svenske avisa Dagen diskuteres n\u00e5 katolikkers syn p\u00e5 flere sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l ganske intenst, etter nyheten om Ulf Ekmans konvertering. I dag stod dette innlegget fra en katolikk; om kravet om \u00e5pent nattverdbord knyttet til sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5let om baptister\/pinsevenner vil godta barned\u00e5p. Martin Ekenv\u00e4rn skriver f\u00f8rst om hva som kreves for \u00e5 delta i katolsk nattverd: [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,15,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8960","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-teologi","category-okumenikk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8960","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=8960"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8960\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8963,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/8960\/revisions\/8963"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=8960"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=8960"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=8960"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}