{"id":9254,"date":"2014-09-23T18:56:02","date_gmt":"2014-09-23T16:56:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=9254"},"modified":"2014-09-23T18:56:02","modified_gmt":"2014-09-23T16:56:02","slug":"forholdet-mellom-tro-og-viten","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2014\/09\/forholdet-mellom-tro-og-viten\/","title":{"rendered":"Forholdet mellom tro og viten"},"content":{"rendered":"

P\u00e5 kurset i katolsk tro i St Hallvard kirke<\/a> i g\u00e5r kveld snakket vi bl.a. om forholdet mellom tro og viten, Kompendiet til den katolske kirkes katekisme<\/a> skriver slik om dette:<\/p>\n

3. Hvordan er det mulig \u00e5 erkjenne Gud ved fornuftens lys alene?<\/p>\n

Med utgangspunkt i skaperverket, det vil si verden og den menneskelige person, kan mennesket gjennom fornuften alene med visshet erkjenne Gud som universets opprinnelse og fullendelse, som det h\u00f8yeste gode og som sannhet og uendelig skj\u00f8nnhet. (31-36, 46-47)<\/p>\n

4. Er fornuftens lys alene tilstrekkelig til \u00e5 erkjenne Guds mysterium?<\/p>\n

P\u00e5 veien mot erkjennelsen av Gud ved fornuftens lys alene, st\u00f8ter mennesket p\u00e5 mange vanskeligheter. Faktisk kan det ikke p\u00e5 eget initiativ tre inn i det indre guddommelige mysterium. Derfor er det avhengig av \u00e5 bli opplyst av Guds \u00e5penbaring, ikke bare om de sannheter som overstiger menneskets forst\u00e5else, men ogs\u00e5 om de religi\u00f8se og moralske sannheter …<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

John Allen skriver<\/a> (et stykke nede p\u00e5 siden) om det som skjedde 12. september 2008 – ogs\u00e5 i en egen artikkel<\/a> – at det virker som pave Benedikt fikk rett mht Islam, i sitt Regensburg-foredrag, at de som kritiserte ham den gang kanskje n\u00e5 m\u00e5 beklage. Men det b\u00f8r de egentlig ikke, for pave Benebikst foredrag handlet jo ikke om Islam, men om forholdet mellom tro og viten:<\/p>\n

… In the Catholic commentariat, there\u2019s been discussion lately about whether Pope Benedict XVI is owed an apology for the brouhaha that broke out in 2006 over a speech he gave in Regensburg, Germany, which opened with a citation of a 14th-century Byzantine emperor linking Muhammad, the founder of Islam, with violence.<\/p>\n

At the time, Benedict\u2019s quotation was seen as a crass religious slur. Now, with the rise of the self-declared ISIS caliphate in northern Iraq and its bloody crackdown on religious minorities, things look a little different.<\/p>\n

However, the revisionist take on his words risks a repeat of the fatal mistake of eight years ago, only in reverse. Aside from its second paragraph, the Regensburg speech really had nothing to do with Islam, and reading it that way distorts the point the retired pontiff was trying to make.<\/p>\n

If you read the entire 4,000 word text \u2013 which, to this day, relatively few of the pundits commenting on it seem to have done \u2013 you\u2019ll discover that Benedict\u2019s primary points of reference aren\u2019t Muslims, but rather Socrates, Duns Scotus, Immanuel Kant and Adolf von Harnack, luminaries of the Western intellectual tradition.<\/p>\n

If Benedict was criticizing anything, it wasn\u2019t Islam, but rather Western secularism and its tendency to limit the scope of reason to what can be scientifically and empirically verified, excluding any reference to ultimate truth.<\/p>\n

The heart of Benedict\u2019s argument at Regensburg was that reason and faith need each other. Reason shorn of faith, he suggested, becomes skepticism and nihilism, while faith deprived of reason becomes extremism and fundamentalism. In isolation, each becomes dangerous; to be healthy, they need each other.<\/p>\n

In Regensburg, Benedict warned against \u201ca reason which is deaf to the divine,\u201d among other things pointing out that ignoring the transcendent handicaps the West in trying to engage the rest of the world, which takes religion seriously, indeed.<\/p>\n

\u201cListening to the great experiences and insights of the religious traditions of humanity, and those of the Christian faith in particular, is a source of knowledge, and to ignore it would be an unacceptable restriction of our listening and responding,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n

Benedict XVI saw himself as a teaching pope, not a governor or a diplomat, and there\u2019s no doubt his eight-year reign suffered because of it.<\/p>\n

Yet as a teacher, he had an impressive record. ……<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

P\u00e5 kurset i katolsk tro i St Hallvard kirke i g\u00e5r kveld snakket vi bl.a. om forholdet mellom tro og viten, Kompendiet til den katolske kirkes katekisme skriver slik om dette: 3. Hvordan er det mulig \u00e5 erkjenne Gud ved fornuftens lys alene? Med utgangspunkt i skaperverket, det vil si verden og den menneskelige person, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,15],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9254","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-katolsk","category-teologi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9254","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9254"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9254\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9256,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9254\/revisions\/9256"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9254"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9254"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9254"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}