{"id":969,"date":"2011-02-07T08:19:25","date_gmt":"2011-02-07T07:19:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=969"},"modified":"2011-02-05T16:35:18","modified_gmt":"2011-02-05T15:35:18","slug":"michael-davies-forteller-hvorfor-han-selv-snudde-i-synet-pa-liturgiforandringene","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/02\/michael-davies-forteller-hvorfor-han-selv-snudde-i-synet-pa-liturgiforandringene\/","title":{"rendered":"Michael Davies forteller hvorfor han selv snudde i synet p\u00e5 liturgiforandringene"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Michael Davies innr\u00f8mmer (p\u00e5 s 91 i sin bok Pope Paul&#8217;s New Mass) at hans selv fullt ut var med p\u00e5 liturgiforandringene i starten:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; I recollect, to my shame, travelling to another parish for Mass on these early Sundays because in my retrograde parish there was no vernacular, no offertory procession, and no Mass facing the people. My parish priest had failed to &laquo;keep up with the times&raquo; and, I felt, keeping up with the times was a top priority. There is nothing surprising about my attitude. My only source of information was the Catholic press and the Catholic press was united in extolling the merits of the innovations. &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Men s\u00e5 oppdagen han og mange andre at <strong>fruktene av den nye liturgien ikke var s\u00e5 positive som det ble p\u00e5st\u00e5tt<\/strong> (s 92):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; Opposition to the reforms began to arise when it became obvious that the pastoral benefits which had been confidently prophesied, did not materialize. The police did not need to be called to Catholic churches each Sunday to hold back the hordes of lapsed Catholics whose faith had been rekindled at the prospect of saying the Confiteor in English. The initial interest, which anything new is bound to evoke, soon began to wear off. English in the liturgy became a matter of routine and the liturgy began to appear banal. it eventually became clear to me that the changes had been detrimental. <\/p>\n<p>One day at school I asked my eleven-year-old pupils to write an essay on the changes in the Mass, without indicating my own preference in any way. Almost all preferred the Latin Mass-and gave sound reasons for their preference. I then joined the Latin Mass Society. &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Han fortsetter s\u00e5 med \u00e5 si at det f\u00f8rst og fremst var estetiske grunner til at mange ikke likte det nye (s 92-93):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230; I am sure that like most of those joining at the time this was for aesthetic reasons. The innovations were affecting the ethos of our Mass. We did not see them as undermining Catholic Eucharistic teaching.<\/p>\n<p>Then, suspect translations began to appear. This inuneditely added a doctrinal dimension to the reform. The direction in which those who had taken control of the implementation of the reform wished the liturgy to move was made clear. There was to be a playing down of all those aspects of the Mass which were unacceptable to Protestants. Prayers referring to the Real Presence or sacrifice would be considerably toned down-this was made particularly clear with the publication of the ICEL translation of the Canon in 1967.   &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Det siste her et punkt der jeg ikke kan f\u00f8lge Davies&#8217; argumenter s\u00e6rlig langt. For ingen protestanter (det er anglikanere og lutheranere man i praksis tenker p\u00e5) verker innf\u00f8rte nytt og moderne spr\u00e5k i sine gudstjenester eller rev ned de gamle alterne og prekestolene p\u00e5 den tid. De (anglikanerne mest) har tvert i mot holdt fast p\u00e5 sine gamle h\u00f8yaltere og sitt h\u00f8ytidelige engelsk fram til v\u00e5r tid. <\/p>\n<p>Det er korrekt at protestanter ikke likte at vi katolikker regner messen som et offer av, men likevel ser jeg p\u00e5 den katolske liturgiske revolusjonen rundt 1970 som et resultat av v\u00e5r egen liturgiske bevegelse fra 30-40-50-tallet. Forandringene l\u00f8p l\u00f8psk uten tvil, og hvorfor det ble slik, vet jeg ikke &#8211; protestantiske kirkes liturgi l\u00f8p p\u00e5 ingen m\u00e5te l\u00f8psk disse \u00e5ra.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Michael Davies innr\u00f8mmer (p\u00e5 s 91 i sin bok Pope Paul&#8217;s New Mass) at hans selv fullt ut var med p\u00e5 liturgiforandringene i starten: &#8230; I recollect, to my shame, travelling to another parish for Mass on these early Sundays because in my retrograde parish there was no vernacular, no offertory procession, and no Mass [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-969","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/969","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=969"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/969\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":970,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/969\/revisions\/970"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=969"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=969"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=969"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}