{"id":971,"date":"2011-02-06T13:31:42","date_gmt":"2011-02-06T12:31:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/?p=971"},"modified":"2011-02-06T11:58:09","modified_gmt":"2011-02-06T10:58:09","slug":"dagens-kollektbonn-ulike-oversettelser","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/2011\/02\/dagens-kollektbonn-ulike-oversettelser\/","title":{"rendered":"Dagens kollektb\u00f8nn &#8211; ulike oversettelser"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>De som har v\u00e6rt til messe p\u00e5 norsk i dag, husker sikkert (kanskje?) dagens kollektb\u00f8nn:<br \/>\n<strong>Herre, v\u00e5k over din familie med faderlig kj\u00e6rlighet. Ta den i ditt vern, for den setter sin lit til din n\u00e5de alene. Ved v\u00e5r Herre \u2026 <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Den latinske originalen ser slik ut:<br \/>\n<strong>Familiam tuam, qu\u00e6sumus, Domine, continua pietate custodi, ut, qu\u00e6 in sola spe grati\u00e6 c\u00e6lestis innititur, tua semper protectione muniatur. Per Dominum nostrum &#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>N\u00e5r vi ser p\u00e5 en ord-for-ord engelsk oversettelse, ser vi at den norske oversettelsen har f\u00e5tt med det mest, men tatt seg noen friheter (&#8216;h\u00e5p om himmelsk n\u00e5de&#8217; mangler bl.a.):<br \/>\n<strong>Guard your family, we beseech you, O Lord, with continual mercy, so that that (family) which is propping itself up upon the sole hope of heavenly grace may always be defended by your protection. Through our Lord &#8230; <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Den nye engelske oversettelsen (gjeldende fra 27\/1-11) er mer presis enn den norske:<br \/>\n<strong>Keep your family safe, O Lord, with unfailing care, that, relying solely on the hope of heavenly grace, they may be defended always by your protection. Through our Lord &#8230; <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mens den gamle engelsk oversettelse (som snart skal bort, i St Hallvard menighet bestilte vi det nye engelske missalet for noen f\u00e5 dager siden):<br \/>\n<strong>Father, watch over your family and keep us safe in your care, for all our hope is in you. Through our Lord &#8230; <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Father Z <a href=\" http:\/\/wdtprs.com\/blog\/2011\/02\/wdtprs-5th-sunday-of-ordinary-time-on-the-march\/\">analyserer denne b\u00f8nna<\/a> ganske grundig.<\/p>\n<p>Samtidig <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicherald.co.uk\/news\/2011\/02\/04\/irish-priests-claim-new-mass-translation-is-elitist-and-sexist\/\">leser vi i the Catholic Herald<\/a> at noen prester ikke vil gi opp kampen for \u00e5 bevare den gamle (og d\u00e5rlige &#8211; fra 1970) engelske oversettelsen. Nesten 10 % av prestene i Irland har g\u00e5tt til motangrep mot det nye: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A group representing more than 400 of Ireland\u2019s 4,500 priests has made an urgent plea to the country\u2019s bishops to postpone the introduction of the new English translation of the Missal for at least another five years.<\/p>\n<p>The call from the Association of Catholic Priests came as the National Centre for Liturgy in Maynooth launched a new publication aimed at explaining and preparing priests and lay people for the changes in the Missal. The new texts will be introduced on November 27, the first Sunday of Advent and the start of the liturgical year.<\/p>\n<p>At a news conference in Dublin, representatives from the priests\u2019 group said the proposed literal translations from Latin had produced texts that were \u201carchaic, elitist and obscure and not in keeping with the natural rhythm, cadence and syntax of the English language\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>The association also criticised the new translation for \u201cexclusivist, sexist language\u201d. &#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>De som har v\u00e6rt til messe p\u00e5 norsk i dag, husker sikkert (kanskje?) dagens kollektb\u00f8nn: Herre, v\u00e5k over din familie med faderlig kj\u00e6rlighet. Ta den i ditt vern, for den setter sin lit til din n\u00e5de alene. Ved v\u00e5r Herre \u2026 Den latinske originalen ser slik ut: Familiam tuam, qu\u00e6sumus, Domine, continua pietate custodi, ut, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-971","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-liturgi"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/971","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=971"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/971\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":972,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/971\/revisions\/972"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=971"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=971"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/aomoi.net\/blogg\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=971"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}