John Allen skriver også i sitt innsiktsfulle innlegg om pave Benedikts besøk i Tyskland om møtet med protestantene:
Benedict’s return to the Land of Luther was always destined to be scrutinized for its impact on ecumenical relations, especially with the Protestant churches of the Reformation. On that score, to put it politely, Benedict drew mixed reviews.
The pope clearly signaled his ecumenical commitment, presiding over a service with a Lutheran bishop in the Erfurt monastery were Martin Luther was ordained an Augustinian monk. The pontiff expressed admiration for Luther’s passionate quest to understand God’s mercy, and Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, president of the German bishops conference, even said that Benedict asked him to find a way for the Catholic church to participate in celebrations of the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation in 2017 — by any standard, a remarkably irenic touch from a Roman Pontiff.
Yet Benedict didn’t offer any breakthroughs, or even signals of flexibility, on the contentious points in Catholic/Lutheran relations, such as inter-communion or mixed marriages. For those who believe such reforms are a prerequisite to progress, the performance therefore left much to be desired.
Pundit Klaus Krämer, for instance, wrote that Benedict still styles “the Catholic church as the ‘cruise ship,’ while the Protestant church is, at best, a ‘container ship’ that should follow the Vatican’s course.” The Frankfurter Rundschau was even more acerbic, calling the trip an “ecumenical disaster” and Benedict’s approach to Protestants “spectacularly half-hearted, patronizing, and callous.”
…. What seemed clear from the Germany trip is that Benedict XVI regards collaboration in responding to these external challenges as the near-term future of the ecumenical movement — and not, therefore, structural unity that might lead to inter-communion. The ecumenical agenda on his watch, in other words, is more ad extra than ad intra.
I sin tale til protestantiske kirkeledere Erfurt, beskrev pave Benedikt to områder der katolikker og tradisjonelle protestantiske kirkesamfunn kan samarbeide; i møte med det stadig mer sekulære samfunnet og med de nye, karismatiske kristne grupperingene (som han ikke beskriver særlig positivt):
The “new geography of Christianity,” by which the pope seemed to mean the dramatic growth of Pentecostal and Evangelical Christianity around the world, especially in the southern hemisphere. He called it “a form of Christianity with little institutional depth, little rationality and even less dogmatic content, and with little stability” — implying that whatever their differences, Catholics and Lutherans still have more in common with one another than, say, the Brazilian Pentecostal “Church of Christ’s Spit.”
Secularism in the West, where “God is increasingly being driven out of our society” and the history of revelation recounted in Scripture is “locked into an ever more remote past.” Secularism puts all Christians in the same boat, the pope said, just as they once faced a common threat from the Nazis — and just as the witness of the martyrs gave rise to the ecumenical movement of the 20th century, he said, today a common faith lived within the secular world is “the most powerful ecumenical force that brings us together.”
Her er jeg på den andre siden, helt enig i det som paven sier. Utmerket.
I de samtaler som jeg har med protestanter om troen, legger jeg merke til at mange pinsevenner og karismatikere, ser det som sitt største kompliment at være imot DKK. De mangler fundament og røtter, som paven sier, og flyter ovenpå som sjøgress. De søker ofte Gud i kraftige taler fra visse predikanter, og går ikke i bønn inn i sitt eget hjerte for å snakke med Jesus. Disse predikanter er ofte søkk rike av gaver fra godttroende folk. Sakramentene har dette folk ingenting til overs for. Det er viss persondyrkelse i dette. Å gå og høre på den og den predikanten.
Det er dessverre slik at mange «evangelikale», pentekostale og andre protestanter minimale kunnskaper om de felleskristelige dogmer og da særlig om den katolske kirkes lære. Den lutherske kirke står oss nær, men den beveger seg også i stadig økende tempo bort fra sine lutherske røtter. Knapt presteskapet i DNK vet hva Luther sto for. Ja, det er også riktig at det synes å være et kompliment å ikke vite noe om «dogmer» Det må jo være misforstått for da beveger en seg bort fra vår fremste dogmatiske kilde, nemmelig Den Hellige Skrift.