I en måneds tid nå har det vært kjent at Tradisjonelle Anglikanere (TAC) har tatt et initiativ for å komme i fullt fellesskap med Den katolske kirke. Vårt Land skrev om dette i går og her er en artikkel hos BBC. Den siste artikkelen handler om irske kirker, mens artikkelen i Vårt Land nevner at det dreier seg om til sammen ca 400.000 anglikanere.
Mange gleder seg over dette, mens andre sier at dette nok kan ta langt tid – og noen ganger har slike ting blitt forsøkt, men ikke blitt fullført. Det er nemlig forholdsvis stor forskjell på å bli katolikk som enkeltperson og å bli forenet med Roma som gruppe. I denne bloggen står det litt mer om hva som har skjedd og hva som videre kan skje.
Bishop Mercer and Bishop Wilkinson flew on to Rome on the 8th of October to deliver a letter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the 9th. ….. The College of Bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC) met in Plenary Session in Portsmouth England in the first week of October 2007.
The Bishops and Vicars-General unanimously agreed on the text of a Letter to the See of Rome seeking full, corporate, and sacramental union. The Letter was signed solemnly by all the College and entrusted to the Primate and two Bishops chosen by the College to be presented to the Holy See.
The Letter was cordially received at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Primate and College of the TAC have agreed that no member of the College will give interviews until the Holy See has considered the Letter and responded.
As you can imagine, this is only the beginning of a process that will take some time, perhaps many years, to come to fruition. There will be further discussions between the COB and the Holy See with respect to the nature and details of what constitutes “full, corporate, and sacramental union” between the TAC and the See of Rome.
Interessant å merke seg her at liturgien som brukes av TAC er mye mer lik den klassiske romerske liturgien enn Novus Ordo er, til tross for at den er en «revidert» utgave av samme, signert apostaten Cranmer.
Noen av TAC’s menigheter bruker også den nå utdødde Sarumliturgien, en lokal variant av TLM. Her i Norge hadde vi Liturgiæ Nidarosensis som lokal ekvivalent til Sarum i England.
Å gå tilbake til slike varianter er besnærende, men likevel et brudd med forskriften om kontinuitet. Konsekvensen vil være antikvarianisme og således like galt som Novus Ordo-opphavsmennenes (Concilium og Bugnini) påståtte tilbakevenden til den «opphavelige» liturgi.
(Jeg tar med denne kommentaren under tvil; måten våre protestantiske brødre og søstre omtales på er ganske upassende. Red.)
The anglican bishops and prests are not true bishops and priests. They are just laymen as their ordinations have been declared «void and null» by the Pope Leo XIII in his encyclical Apostolicae Curae, September 18, 1896, on the nullity of Anglican Orders :
«we pronounce and declare that ordinations carried out according to the Anglican rite have been, and are, absolutely null and utterly void.»
So the mass they performed even if it looks traditionnal is totally invalid. They just worship bread and wine.
If you want to know more about it, I suggest that you read the book of Michael Davies about the anglicanism : «Cranmer’s Godly Order: The Destruction of Catholicism Through Liturgical Change».
You have to know about some few names like Ambrose de Lisle, Newman, the pastor Pusey, Lord Halifax, Father Portal, Dom Beauduin, …
NS : Sorry for wiriting in english… My norwegian isn’t that good when it comes to write about religion.
Pastor Moi,
Hva tar du under tvil ?
Don’t you believe the pope Leo XIII ? Do you think he was wrong in his encyclical Apostolicae Curae ?
(You can read this encyclical here : http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13curae.htm )
Here is the end of the Pope’s encyclical :
40. We decree that these letters and all things contained therein shall not be liable at any time to be impugned or objected to by reason of fault or any other defect whatsoever of subreption or obreption of our intention, but are and shall be always valid and in force and shall be inviolably observed both juridically and otherwise, by all of whatsoever degree and preeminence, declaring null and void anything which, in these matters, may happen to be contrariwise attempted, whether wittingly or unwittingly, by any person whatsoever, by whatsoever authority or pretext, all things to the contrary notwithstanding.
41. We will that there shall be given to copies of these letters, even printed, provided that they be signed by a notary and sealed by a person constituted in ecclesiastical dignity, the same credence that would be given to the expression of our will by the showing of these presents.
Given at Rome, at St. Peter’s, in the year of the Incarnation of Our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and ninety-six, on the Ides of September, in the nineteenth year of our pontificate.
— Leo PP. XIII
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Here come also another document written by the english catholic bishops at that time. The title of this document is «A VINDICATION OF THE BULL ’APOSTOLICÆ CURÆ’. A LETTER ON ANGLICAN ORDERS, BY THE CARDINAL ARCHBISHOP AND BISHOPS OF THE PROVINCE OF WESTMINSTER IN REPLY TO THE LETTER ADDRESSED TO THEM BY THE ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOPS OF CANTERBURY AND YORK – 1898»
You can download this document here :
http://www.rore-sanctifica.org/etudes/2006/RORE-2006-02-17-EN-Vindication_of_Apostolicae_Curae_1898.pdf
Do you know better the question of the invalidity of the ordination in the anglican Church than the Pope Leo XIII and the catholic bishops and cardinals from England ?
Do you oppose the pope on that matter ?
So if you don’t (and you should) therefore you should logically come to the conclusion that the masses celebrated by the anglicans are invalid because the anglican «priests» are not priests.
These anglican «priests» don’t possess the power to transform the bread and the wine into the flesh and the blood of our Lord.
So, good norwegian catholics, don’t be fool of the anglican liturgy ! It looks nice, it smells nice, …, but it’s totally invalid. It’s empty. The bread remains bread and the wine remains wine.
NB : It’s not a personnal attack against you, pastor Moi. I am just defending the catholic truth. As a catholic, that’s my duty.
René
Som jeg skrev over, er det ikke slik Den katolske kirke beskriver våre protestantiske brødre og søstre i vår tid – det kan du se i alle dokumenter som er skrevet de siste 40 år – selv om vi (som du sier) heller ikke kan anerkjenne deres kirkelige embeder.