Hårreisende forlsag fra katolikker i Nederland
På www.chiesa står det i dag en artikkel om at dominikanere i Nederland foreslår at eukaristifeiringa løsrives fra presteskapet (i alle fall om nødvendig, ved prestemangel f.eks.), og at folk valgt fra menigheten (også kvinner) kan «forrette»! I samme artikkel nevnes det at augustinerne i en av sine kirke har felles nattverd med protestantene, og at prestene i de to kirkene velksler på å lede ordets og nattverdens del av gudstjenesten! Les selv:
In Nijmegen, Holland, in the church of the Augustinian friars, each Sunday the Mass is concelebrated by a Protestant and a Catholic, with one presiding over the liturgy of the Word and the sermon, and the other over the liturgy of the Eucharist, in alternation. The Catholic is almost always a layperson, and is often a woman. …
No bishop has ever authorized this form of celebration. But Fr. Lambert van Gelder, one of the Augustinians who promote it, is sure that he is in the right: «In the Church there are different forms of participation, we are full-fledged members of the ecclesial community. I don’t consider myself a schismatic at all.»
Also in Holland, the Dominicans have gone even farther, with the consent of the provincials of the order. They distributed in all the 1,300 Catholic parishes a 9,500-word booklet entitled «Kerk en Ambt», «The Church and the Ministry,» in which they propose to make into a general rule what is already practiced spontaneously in various places. …Here the Dutch Dominicans distinguish three widespread expectations:
* that men and women be selected «from below» to preside over the Eucharistic celebration;
* that, ideally, «this choice would be followed by a confirmation or blessing or ordination by Church authority»;
* that the words of consecration «could be pronounced both by those who preside in the Eucharist and by the community from which they take their origin.»
In the view of the Dutch Dominicans, these three expectations are well grounded in Vatican Council II. …